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sedicirich
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 21 Aug 2005 : 20:11:05
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Well its raining here in the alps so thought I'd tidy up my posts into my own thread, so I'll start off with a thread I had saved then add some bits to the bottom.
I am building a 3dr tipo 16 to race in the uK in the euro saloons championship which used to be the autoitalia championship. the tipo was mine a number of years ago, I sold it, but now I have bought it back to rebuild
Here is it before it was stripped 53k miles fulls service history
underneathe was fully de-sealed sand seam welded along with pretty much any other join.
too this now taken after painting
cage is cds tubing, with triangulation on the front struts, which also have extra plates added on top. there is a dash bar, and sill to tunnel mounts for the seat.
The engine for the race car is fully blue printed and gas flowed. Still a mild class c spec. Will develop the car one its done some races. Body has been fully stitch welded with the front struts connected to the cage.
the engine, built by the chap who has done one or two of these.
paddle helix
ah look at this pro at work, like my workshop yeah right
centre console hand folded by my fair hand and a piece of wood, and a mallet
rear view with corbeau revolution seat, as reccommended by my friend graham heels, who won the alfa championship a few tears ago, he reckoned the wrap around head protection saved his life during a tyre wall impact - good enough reason for me. Just got 3inch luke 5 point harness to go with it. The tipo driving position is a bit high but on max height I still cant see that well over the front, will worry about this later as the car isnt on the flat so it may not be so bad.
delta evo2 brembos
new steering rack, notice poly bushes they were easy to fit- yeah right.
at last the trigger wheel is made, meaning I can finally get the engine ready to go in,
here the engine a bit more assembled, loom has been soldered. but didnt show it in this pic, what a fun job.
racetech gauges as rec by GC, dam they cost a lot, but the cheaper boyracer gauges just look and feel ****.
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Edited by - sedicirich on 02 Oct 2007 10:55:11
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Martin
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Posted - 21 Aug 2005 : 20:33:22
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Excellent hard work SR!!
Two thoughts for slicks/racing - choice of tower top mounts? Are you going adjustable immediately?
and is the engine revving beyond standard, as the life of the paddle clutch plate is so short on these engines?
I've got some nice SFC stickers for it too......
Looking again - you've kept the balancer shafts in.... 6-8 bhp lost there... as Alfa found in their 155
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sedicirich
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United Kingdom
199 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2005 : 20:41:09
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martin if I could fit top mounts like trev has I would, but the problem is the space to move the strut in relation to the inner arch. even with coil overs the space wouldnt be enough to get more neg camber. this is frustrating, so the camber will have to come from the hub end. My head is in the sand with this for the moment. slicks yokohama's just because we have friend that will supply them at a decent rate, maybe less if we come to some arrangement, we'll see.
No std rods and pistons, so std rev limit, clutch I would think will be fine Martin, no driving round town for this puppy. tacho and ecu both have shift lights.
cheers
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Martin
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 07:00:41
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May sound daft but I'm sure I recognise the panelling on the engine shots! Have I been there?
Another thing occurs S/R, would you like a seperate project area on the forum so these pics etc don't get lost/buried in the general topics? Don't know if you're already doing one..... |
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Guy Croft
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 09:50:17
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Set your rev limiter at 7200 Rich
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sedicirich
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 12:20:44
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Martin - If you've been to GC's place then you may well know it.
Ok guy will do. While you're around I intend to start the car on mineral oil, OMEX have some elaborate things to do on start up, all I want to do is get get it on idle, then take it to them. I assume I'll be ok to have it mapped initially on the mineral oil then change it for the first track time which will most likely be a track day to synth, oh do these furry hoses all need jubilees I assume they do.
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julian
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 13:25:47
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| Rich - a word of warning about the paddle clutch. Great on the track but you will need to push the car everywhere in the paddock. The one on my car was junk after just 4 races not because it couldn't take the load... it was moving it on and off the trailer that killed it |
1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
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Martin
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 13:38:29
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S/R - of course its GC's place!
Its good to see everything coming together so well - well done again!
JB has filled out the paddle clutch issue a bit more - I noticed at Brands (twice) that the queues out of the paddock and into scrutineering etc would virtually exclude pushing help to get onto/ off the circuit and then slipping the clutch is inevitable... hence wear rates.... and I agree 3 or 4 races is about right... |
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julian
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 15:22:55
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| Wear on the clutch itself was fine - the material was completely cooked though from the low speed clutch slipping to the point where it was useless. If simply pushed or winched the wear rates would put the lifetime at ten times this |
1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
2009 Abarth 500 |
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Guy Croft
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 15:44:16
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If u feather the throttle the sprung paddle clutch I supplied should cope fine with manouevring (spelling?) all season. It takes a bit of practice to do this without judder.
Furry hose Aeroquip-8 goes straight on fir tree unions without clips of any kind, just heat the hose in hot water, grease the union and clamp in vice and ram it on.
Who is the real Martin that's bin 'ere then?
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julian
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 15:53:22
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I have to admit that the clutch did not feel as if it had a problem, the lack of standing starts helps a big deal but when we took the box out the damage to the plate was immediately obvious. The friction material was starting to disintegrate and it would only have taken another couple of race days (at best) before something broke. Once engaged properly the clutch was fine but the little turbo engine (badly mapped I might add) just couldn't keep things moving without severe judder.
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1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
2009 Abarth 500 |
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sedicirich
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United Kingdom
199 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 17:42:31
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lets get the technique clear, feathering versus slipping so I dont cook it.Advice please,
A number of guys on the fiat coupe forum are running helix clutches on the road most have had no probs that road use. |
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Guy Croft
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 18:05:19
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hey - bring it up here and I'll show ya!
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sedicirich
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 21:11:30
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yeah GC come down to worcester already been your way, lincoln not the easiest place to get to, and cadwell park thats a day trip. Should get it out the garage under gravity, right on the side of the malvern hills.
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julian
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Posted - 22 Aug 2005 : 22:54:36
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| Rich, the fact that it is a Helix clutch does not automatically make it a paddle clutch. I'm planning on moving to an organic compound for the next unit as it is supposed to be a little more sympathetic without losing any of the bite. With your nice torque monster twink you should have no trouble at all feathering the throttle to keep things moving |
1998 Seicento 600M - extreme version
2000 Ford Explorer LPG'd up but well and truely f****d
1978 Replica Icsunonove w/Uno Turbo power (250bhp+ and 600kg)
2009 Abarth 500 |
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600m
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Posted - 23 Aug 2005 : 03:30:13
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| You just have to say it "Well done that man for what looks like a really nice job" |
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